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Post by EmmyMik on Jan 10, 2006 22:54:21 GMT -5
I finished the book again today (slowly making my way to HBP). It's interesting to read these books in a post-HBP light. Especially the graveyard scene (where Voldemort makes note of the Death Eaters who aren't there. You know, "One has left forever, blah, blah, blah" or something like that. I'm too lazy to dig out my book).
Now, on to OotP!
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Post by hermione13snape on Feb 17, 2006 8:59:50 GMT -5
This book is so much better than the film, god bless JKR Actually Winky22 I have to disagree with you, I don't really like the book very much but I absolutely adored the film! It was better than the book. None of those silly side stories and a lot less fussy, plus we got less Black and more Snape! Can't argue with that! Oh and I gave you a Karma point for introducing me to this site! |
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Post by hypatia on Feb 17, 2006 10:13:53 GMT -5
Wow, it's rare to find someone who really prefers the movies to the books. I find it amazing that anyone can follow the story if they are watching the movies only.  |
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Post by hermione13snape on Feb 17, 2006 12:24:34 GMT -5
I have read the books Hypatia, my favourite is Order of the Phoenix though as it was the first one that actually made me feel like I was in Hogwarts! I just said that I prefer the GoF film to the Book as GoF is my second to worst book in the HP series but I the GoF film is my favourite of the movies! Confusing eh?
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Post by winky22 on Feb 17, 2006 13:45:20 GMT -5
I feel the movie was total poo compered to the books i love all the sides stories, i am a bit nosey you see and like back stories happening because i often wonder what other characters are doing. I also like knowing the back stories of all characters. It is much more interesting to me. ;D
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Post by hermione13snape on Feb 18, 2006 7:06:02 GMT -5
I normally love side stories but I wish she'd have written them from the perspective of the character rather than from Harry's. If she was going to stick to Harry's perspective throughout 95% of the time then why not have written in first person? An example like this to be. "I looked across after everyone had been sorted and looked into the eyes of a man sitting at the teacher's table, he returned my look, the scorching gaze literally hurt me as the strange scar on my head began throbbing, the sensation was too much as I winced, as soon as that happened the strange man with greasy hair and a big nose turned away, I knew then that this man hated me and probably nothing I would ever do would change my mind!" But she doesn't! In GoF all the side stories are seen through him and I do find that rather closed and narrow at times. Like with Hermione she could have had lot's of fun with Viktor's attempts to ask Hermione out from Hermione's perspective. Like this. "She wondered back in the Library. There were some things she needed to verify for a Potions essay that had to be handed in on Friday and she wanted it finished by Thursday. She was about to go to the section in the Library where all the Potion Books were and start some relaxing studying. She froze in her tracks, that foreign boy was there again. Serious and intent on something, he looked up as he heard her footsteps he smiled and looked relieved, she didn't have her friends with her this was going to be simple. She turned around mechanically trying to ignore him when a cacophany of laughter and giggles reached that particular section. She rolled her eyes, picked a few books at random, went to Madam Pince who glared at the group of girls with a steely gaze which failed to penetrate. Hermione however was happy to be out of the Library as quickly as possible! Away from the foreign boy and away from those silly girls!" See what I mean? And yes I do know what I am talking about! I am writing this story myself which I started about eight to ten years ago and I began writing it in first person but I got muddled and wanted other peoples perspective to shine through, so I had to start right from the beginning and am now happier with it as I can explore the other characters much more fully FROM their own perspective and not someone else's! In short I am a little nosy myself Winky22 but I prefer it from the person themselves and not from someone else who like Harry is a little narrow minded! In fact have you seen this thread? www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=61756&page=48 |
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Post by billywiggy on Mar 2, 2006 16:31:12 GMT -5
I feel the movie was total poo compered to the books ;D LOL - you are too funny winky! I agree though - even the best of the films (in my mind, POA) is a pale shadow of the brilliance of the HP Books. The books are so in-depth, and the character development is superb and the plots intricate and twisty! What's not to love? How can a movie compare to that? |
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Post by winky22 on Mar 3, 2006 16:15:46 GMT -5
I feel the movie was total poo compered to the books ;D LOL - you are too funny winky! I agree though - even the best of the films (in my mind, POA) is a pale shadow of the brilliance of the HP Books. The books are so in-depth, and the character development is superb and the plots intricate and twisty! What's not to love? How can a movie compare to that? Thats me the Nutty one. I prefer POA as well. The films never can be up to the brilliant standards of the books |
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Post by hermione13snape on Mar 4, 2006 7:37:19 GMT -5
I don't think any movie adaptation can match the quality of a well told story whether its Harry Potter or Jane Austen because they always cut characters, (Molly Weasley in GoF) or they cut some brilliant scene which would have been brilliant to have shown on screen, (Dark Mark reveal) or they even show a scene from the book but don't do it justice, (the Maze! where were the Sphinx and the Spider? That would have made for some great special effects and cinematography!)
I'm just saying that I wish she wouldn't stick to Harry's perspective in the books the whole time and one scene in GoF that I loved was the private conversation between Mcgonnagal, Snape and Dumbledore, because I feel that was sorely missing from the book.
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Post by squirrelywrath on Mar 8, 2006 3:38:10 GMT -5
the books are called Harry Potter and_________
they really should stick to Harry point of view. its his way of seeing things that let the stories develope as they do/ while I am sure the other characters would offer lots of interesting deviations, Harry's PoV is the only one that matters in the series
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Post by billywiggy on Mar 8, 2006 16:14:07 GMT -5
Yeah - you know, I see where you're coming from Hermione_Snape. I'd pay good money to read all the books, but in Snape's perspective . . .
"Severus Snape and the Sorcerer's Stone" . . .
Ah yes! ;D
But, having the third-person limited view that she uses is essential for keeping up the 'mystery' of certain characters and events. If we were to see and know everything - I doubt the books would be as fascinating as they are, really!
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Post by squirrelywrath on Mar 10, 2006 3:35:48 GMT -5
oh heck, I'd read "Severus Snape and the bowl of Jello"
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Post by candescence on Mar 10, 2006 15:14:24 GMT -5
oh heck, I'd read "Severus Snape and the bowl of Jello" ;D Where can I get a copy of that!! Hee hee! And it is Harry Potter and _______ so of course the main POV is his and it just so happens that she writes secondary characters so wonderfully that we fell in love with them. Well, I really would not even call them secondary characters, just that they are not Harry and it is his tale. GOF was a long book and it did have a lot of subplots that I would have loved to have seen in the movie, but they did what they felt was right, and I am sure that JKR had a say in it, so for me, if she says it's good, it's good. She certainly would not let them leave out anything that was integral to the overall plot and outcome of the series. |
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Post by hermione13snape on Mar 13, 2006 12:44:55 GMT -5
So if she was going to stick to Harry why not write in first person? I love Rebecca, it's a tight thriller and that is in first person.
John le Carre writes in third person and deviates from the hero from time to time and still write a brilliant thriller.
Billywiggy - I too would love to read the books from anothers perspective as well, but hey that's what the Snape PoV thread on CoS forums is for isn't it!
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Post by billywiggy on Mar 13, 2006 16:24:54 GMT -5
oh heck, I'd read "Severus Snape and the bowl of Jello" LOL - I'd especially like to hear what Snape does with the jello! ;D Hermione_Snape - Honestly, I feel that JKR chose the narrative form she's using for a good reason. I don't know exactly what those reasons are - I'm sure if I were an English major, I could probably give you a list of the pros and cons of using 1st person narrative versus 3rd person limited. Suffice to say - I believe she chose it for a reason, and the success of her books points to the correctness of her choice. That's my opinion, anyway!  |
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Post by candescence on Mar 13, 2006 16:48:02 GMT -5
oh heck, I'd read "Severus Snape and the bowl of Jello" LOL - I'd especially like to hear what Snape does with the jello! ;D Hermione_Snape - Honestly, I feel that JKR chose the narrative form she's using for a good reason. I don't know exactly what those reasons are - I'm sure if I were an English major, I could probably give you a list of the pros and cons of using 1st person narrative versus 3rd person limited. Suffice to say - I believe she chose it for a reason, and the success of her books points to the correctness of her choice. That's my opinion, anyway! Yeah, about that jello...*shudders* I tend to prefer 1st person narrative myself, but it is all a matter of opinion. I am a fan of her overall writing style as well, regardless of the narrative. I think she is very clever and witty, and it shows in how quick a read her books can be. You just find yourself immersed in them, well I do anyway. |
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Post by squirrelywrath on Mar 14, 2006 3:01:42 GMT -5
ha, I got my copy of "the Hobbit" on a shelf in a cabin.
Kiss your copy goodbye and go get a new one. You deserve it
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Post by hermione13snape on Mar 14, 2006 7:09:01 GMT -5
I'm not insulting Jo's choice it's just that I don't understand why she didn't use 1st person if she was going to stick to Harry like glue. I like her books it's just that it has been one of those annoying things I like to complain about.
If I knew I was going to stick to one characters perspective all through out I write 1st person and as we don't get anyone's perspective but Harry's (Vernon Dursleys in the first chapter of PS/SS, Narcissa's perspective in Spinners End, the Muggle Prime Minister in the first chapter, and Frank Bryce's in the first Goblet of Fire chapter are only four occasions! and could have been explained away quite easily.)
I love the story of Dracula, it's all written in 1st person from about five or six different people, through the use of diaries and newspaper articles and letters.
Like I said it's one of my niggles, like do Wizards who can't get a job get dole money, or do disabled wizards and witches get disability living allowances, or how about kids who live further north, are there other pick up points across the country or do witches and wizards no matter where they live have to go all the way down to London to Kings Cross, and how did Dumbledore get to Hogwarts as trains weren't around when he was eleven? It's just the sort of thing I think about when I'm reading the books, as you can see I think of all the tiny little things that to me are important but the sort of thing I'd have put in because that's the sort of thing I want answered myself. I have a very practical side of myself that shines through occasionally.
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Post by winky22 on Mar 14, 2006 13:45:48 GMT -5
If you thought about that all the time you would drive yourself up the wall!!
All Questions can not be answered or the book would never end. I understand what you saying i personally would love to know more about Petunia but i know it may not happen but hay ho i just have to get on, i can assume as we all can. When book 7 comes out i am hoping for Petunia to reveal her secrets to Harry. please JK please!
Hasn't it been said somewhere that after the seris has finished JK might write a book about the things she couldn't fit in and learn more about the characters? I think so?!
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Post by billywiggy on Mar 15, 2006 1:42:36 GMT -5
LOL - Hermione_Snape, you are too funny - worrying about wizards on the dole! ;D I do understand what you're saying about 1st person, I guess I just don't agree. We'll have to agree to disagree!  Hasn't it been said somewhere that after the seris has finished JK might write a book about the things she couldn't fit in and learn more about the characters? I think so?! I wish! That would be awesome - because you KNOW she's not going to answer all our questions, no way! You know - everytime she answers a FAQ on her website - I could almost swear it brings up more questions for me. I don't know if it's just that she's still holding stuff back, or if she really can't imagine there are people (like Hermione_Snape , and me apparently) that want to know EVERYTHING. |
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