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Post by winky22 on Dec 30, 2005 14:30:25 GMT -5
I can't wait for book 7 too but i don't want it to come too quick cause after that, well thats it!
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Post by ringo on Dec 30, 2005 14:52:14 GMT -5
I want the book out asap,I am so not patient... This sounds terrible,but I only want to find out what is going to happen to Snape,not just because of Alan,well,we know that when it comes to the final film he will be so flamming good,but I have loved the character of Snape since the 1st book,so I am so hopeing that Snape is still on the good side... No,I will stake my name on it.... Severus Snape is Still Dumbledores Man.....
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Post by TigerSnake on Jan 3, 2006 16:04:45 GMT -5
I don't know where this should go so I'll put it here because hopefully it'll be answered in the final book...
Okay so what I was thinking about was Snape's skin color. He isn't pale, but his skin is of yellowish color.
Now here's what I'm thinking (I'm not sure if any of you thought of it or someone else thought of it and told you but here goes): maybe the yellow skin color means he's dying!! Okay, he isn't a vampire (JKR said so and plus they’re pale), and sure it seems he doesn't like the sunlight, but not getting some sunshine doesn't turn your skin yellow. Plus, in his memory when he was a kid, he was outside; he didn't seem to mind.
Anyway, some people who are sick and/or dying their skin sometimes turns yellow, so maybe it's happening to Snape. It might be a reason or THE reason why Dumbledore trusted him so much: because the poor man is dying!
However, I don't have the OotP book with me, so can someone check if when he was young he had yellowish skin (JKR doesn't say "yellowish color," she uses another phrasing but it isn't coming to mind at the moment). If he did then my little theory basically goes out the window. But the fact that he doesn't go into the sunlight as an adult might mean he has health problems.
What do you think?
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Post by winky22 on Jan 3, 2006 16:12:23 GMT -5
For a minute there i thought you was going to say he is related to Homer Simpson! ;D I don't think he is dying i just think thats the way his skin looks but if you give me more evidence that proves he is dying then i would love to chat on it more.
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Post by TigerSnake on Jan 3, 2006 16:29:30 GMT -5
For a minute there i thought you was going to say he is related to Homer Simpson! ;D I don't think he is dying i just think thats the way his skin looks but if you give me more evidence that proves he is dying then i would love to chat on it more. LOL. Snape as Homer Simpson. LOL Well I only own The Half-Blood Prince, my sister owns the others. But people who are really sick usually have yellowish skin, that's why I thought of it.
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Post by cissy on Jan 4, 2006 0:44:25 GMT -5
Jo's always called Snape sallow (which I think is the word you're looking for) or pale. I think he's just really fair from never going outside. She did call him a pallid, stringy teenager in OotP. I've always had this impression of a bookish person who didn't go outside much (kinda like myself).
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Post by squirrelywrath on Jan 4, 2006 2:10:29 GMT -5
Yep, sallow is the word she uses, and Sallow does mean yellowish (its not just his teeth) and she used pallid- dull, lacking in vitality I too would like to hear some evidence to support your theory that he is dying...
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Post by TigerSnake on Jan 4, 2006 16:16:06 GMT -5
Yep, sallow is the word she uses, and Sallow does mean yellowish (its not just his teeth) and she used pallid- dull, lacking in vitality I too would like to hear some evidence to support your theory that he is dying... LOL It's not only his teeth. Well my evidence (not in the books) is that a close relative of mine is basically dying. My mother described him as looking yellowish. That's my evidence. JKR keeps reminding us that Snape is yellowish so it MUST mean something. Also, I think I mentioned this in the CoS Forums some time ago but here goes... my mom can't be in the direct sunlight for too long. She gets fatigued too easily and she's not doing anything but standing in the sunlight. Maybe something similar happens to Snape.
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Post by hermione13snape on Feb 17, 2006 9:30:49 GMT -5
Okay Snapes Patronus I tackled on page two of this thread!
I said that I think that Snape's Patronus is a fox, (they are animals if you notice, what made Tonks happy in HBP was Remus but her Patronus was his Wolf image, Harry's is his father but his Patronus is a Stag his fathers animagus form. So I don' t think Patronus's are people.) A fox is how he would see Lily, red hair, pretty, popular! A Vixen. So while I do agree his Patronus is Lily it would be an animal form of Lily, and I see Lily as a fox!
As for Snape dying - er excuse me but I have pale skin and can't take sunlight for too long so does that mean I'm dying, oh yeah I am also in daily pain, typing this does actually hurt me but I do it because I enjoy it! No Snape is NOT dying! But it is interesting you bring the subject up as I reckon that Dumbledore was dying before the AK curse and therefore perhaps even if Snape hadn't have killed him Dumbledore wouldn't have survived to see the next year of Hogwarts anyway. How have I surmised this? Well I spent a week looking after my grandparents in May 6 years ago and my grandfather (sorry getting a lump in my throat here!) was ill and my grandma was diagnosed with Senile Dementia, and the description of Dumbledore all throughout Book 6 matched the description of my grandfather in the last few months of his life. He died in July of that year and sixteen weeks later my grandmother followed after suffering a stroke! I feel that Snape just quickened the process but Dumbledore would have died anyway!
Snape however is as fit as a fiddle, and 100% physically healthy, mentally I am not so sure!
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Post by winky22 on Feb 17, 2006 13:50:20 GMT -5
Okay Snapes Patronus I tackled on page two of this thread! I said that I think that Snape's Patronus is a fox, (they are animals if you notice, what made Tonks happy in HBP was Remus but her Patronus was his Wolf image, Harry's is his father but his Patronus is a Stag his fathers animagus form. So I don' t think Patronus's are people.) A fox is how he would see Lily, red hair, pretty, popular! A Vixen. So while I do agree his Patronus is Lily it would be an animal form of Lily, and I see Lily as a fox! As for Snape dying - er excuse me but I have pale skin and can't take sunlight for too long so does that mean I'm dying, oh yeah I am also in daily pain, typing this does actually hurt me but I do it because I enjoy it! No Snape is NOT dying! But it is interesting you bring the subject up as I reckon that Dumbledore was dying before the AK curse and therefore perhaps even if Snape hadn't have killed him Dumbledore wouldn't have survived to see the next year of Hogwarts anyway. How have I surmised this? Well I spent a week looking after my grandparents in May 6 years ago and my grandfather (sorry getting a lump in my throat here!) was ill and my grandma was diagnosed with Senile Dementia, and the description of Dumbledore all throughout Book 6 matched the description of my grandfather in the last few months of his life. He died in July of that year and sixteen weeks later my grandmother followed after suffering a stroke! I feel that Snape just quickened the process but Dumbledore would have died anyway! Snape however is as fit as a fiddle, and 100% physically healthy, mentally I am not so sure! I like the idea of his Patronus being a Vixen and then that makes me think what was Lily's Patronus? I could imagine it being a Vixen as Hermione's is an Otter, or it could have been a ginger cat even.
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Post by giggin on Feb 17, 2006 17:27:00 GMT -5
I like the idea of his Patronus being a Vixen and then that makes me think what was Lily's Patronus? I could imagine it being a Vixen as Hermione's is an Otter, or it could have been a ginger cat even. Did someone say Otter? LOL!
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Post by TigerSnake on Feb 17, 2006 20:12:38 GMT -5
As for Snape dying - er excuse me but I have pale skin and can't take sunlight for too long so does that mean I'm dying, oh yeah I am also in daily pain, typing this does actually hurt me but I do it because I enjoy it! No Snape is NOT dying! Well I did say: Well my evidence (not in the books) is that a close relative of mine is basically dying. [that was my dad] My mother described him as looking yellowish. That's my evidence. JKR keeps reminding us that Snape is yellowish so it MUST mean something. Also, I think I mentioned this in the CoS Forums some time ago but here goes... my mom can't be in the direct sunlight for too long. She gets fatigued too easily and she's not doing anything but standing in the sunlight. Maybe something similar happens to Snape.So I'm not saying you're dying, hermione13snape. LOL
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Post by winky22 on Feb 18, 2006 15:29:11 GMT -5
I like the idea of his Patronus being a Vixen and then that makes me think what was Lily's Patronus? I could imagine it being a Vixen as Hermione's is an Otter, or it could have been a ginger cat even. Did someone say Otter? LOL! Ha! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Stinkyfart on Feb 22, 2006 22:27:07 GMT -5
I've been thinking about what Snape's Animagus COULD be. Below I've listed what I think it MIGHT be.
1. A Panther: This is a very powerful and quick cat. Snape is a very Powerful Wizard and his reflexes are really quick. Remember he can execute a Spell/Curse with the flick of his wand. Panthers are also known to encircle their prey--which is what Snape does to Harry when he is hexing Harry. Throughout the books he has stalked Harry and caught him red handed--almost pouncing on him. A perfect example of this is in POA when Harry is caught wandering the hall at night. He see's Snape's name on the Marauders' Map. He turns off his wand hoping he wont get caught. Just when he thinks he is save--SNAPE is there and Harry jumps. Panthers can slink around--so can Snape. He also protects the kids from Lupin's Werewolf--once again, if he had been a weak Wizard, he would have run for the hills--instead he stands infront of the kids. He also reacts in an Animal-like fashion to Harry calling him a Coward.
2. I also agree with the Fox theory. Primarily because foxes are very sly. They can slink around and not get caught. Thus far, Snape's been able to hide his "loyalities lie".
3. One of the obvious choices--from JKR's own "hints", if you will say, is a Bat. They are able to flit around and are only seen at night and in dark places. Again, in POA, he closes the shutters in the DADA classroom. Okay, he was showing a film--but I think it's got something to do with the fact he feels safe in dark places. He is rarely seen outside during the day. His Potions classroom is in the Dungeons--which are known to be very dark and damp and places which most people don't like staying. So, a Bat is a more likely choice. Also in SS/PS, during the Potions lesson, he wraps himself in his cloak. When he sees Harry, he lets it droop back to his side.
4. Also Sirius Black said that Snape was Lucius Malfoy's "Lap Dog". So a tiny dog--ie a Bichon Frise may be a choice too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Just kidding, but I think he would make a very cute Bichon Frise. It would also catch you off guard to see this fluffy little Bichon Frise walking and then turn into Snape.
As to Severus and whether he is Good or EVIL:
I believe that Severus is a Good Wizard who has made some very bad choices in his life. Next to Harry, he is my favourite Character. Especially since reading "Snape's Worst Memory". It's obvious he had a pretty crappy Childhood, especially at school. Voldemort picked up on this and promised Snape something which he longed--friendship and belonging. Because he was rejected both at home and at school--I believe he was looking for a place to fit in. I also believe he was SEEKING revenge against James Potter and Sirius Black. So he this as his perfect way to exact revenge against Potter. Remember he screamed "I'll get you" repeatedly. He desperately wanted to get in the last insult to show people he is NOT to be messed with, but once again, James Potter got the upper hand. So until I read it in JKR's own words, I will not believe Snape is an Evil Character.
This also leads me to the theory he and Dumbledore had some sort of setup when he "killed" Dumbledore. After re-reading that Chapter I think Dumbledore was pleading with Severus to kill him to save Harry, Draco and himself. The Hate and Loathing on his face IS towards Dumbledore, but I think it's more of a "Damn you for putting me in this situation". Much like Harry hated himself for having to feed Dumbledore the Potion which made him so sick. Although we don't read it, I believe Harry also damned/hated Dumbledore for putting him in the Situation.
Harry is very weak at Occlumency and executing non-verbal Spells and Curses. This is where I believe Snape will come in to help Harry. He is the ONLY one who can TRULY teach Harry Occlumency. Hermione is a smart kid, but she does not know Voldemort like Snape does. She does not have the Vilianess or Evilness to truly teach Harry the skills he will need to bring down Voldemort. This is where I believe Snape will come in. Although he is "good" he does have some Vilian-like qualities to him. He is the only one who can show Harry what he will face when he battles Voldemort. I do see Snape bringing Harry to his knees to show Harry what it will be like when the final Battle ensues. Hermione does not have the the stomach to truly hurt a person. Okay, she might bring him to his knees if she had to, but she would get scared, let up and apologize to him. Voldemort will NOT do this. He will not go "Oh my God!!! Harry I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to do that, are you okay". He will enjoy torturing Harry to the point the kid will beg for death like he did in OOTP. So this is why I say Snape is the only one who can teach Harry Non verbal spells and Occlumency properly. He also has the ability to piss Harry off and enjoy it. This is another thing which he will need to defeat Voldemort.
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Post by Stinkyfart on Feb 22, 2006 22:28:52 GMT -5
I've been thinking about what Snape's Animagus COULD be. Below I've listed what I think it MIGHT be.
1. A Panther: This is a very powerful and quick cat. Snape is a very Powerful Wizard and his reflexes are really quick. Remember he can execute a Spell/Curse with the flick of his wand. Panthers are also known to encircle their prey--which is what Snape does to Harry when he is hexing Harry. Throughout the books he has stalked Harry and caught him red handed--almost pouncing on him. A perfect example of this is in POA when Harry is caught wandering the hall at night. He see's Snape's name on the Marauders' Map. He turns off his wand hoping he wont get caught. Just when he thinks he is save--SNAPE is there and Harry jumps. Panthers can slink around--so can Snape. He also protects the kids from Lupin's Werewolf--once again, if he had been a weak Wizard, he would have run for the hills--instead he stands infront of the kids. He also reacts in an Animal-like fashion to Harry calling him a Coward.
2. I also agree with the Fox theory. Primarily because foxes are very sly. They can slink around and not get caught. Thus far, Snape's been able to hide his "loyalities lie".
3. One of the obvious choices--from JKR's own "hints", if you will say, is a Bat. They are able to flit around and are only seen at night and in dark places. Again, in POA, he closes the shutters in the DADA classroom. Okay, he was showing a film--but I think it's got something to do with the fact he feels safe in dark places. He is rarely seen outside during the day. His Potions classroom is in the Dungeons--which are known to be very dark and damp and places which most people don't like staying. So, a Bat is a more likely choice. Also in SS/PS, during the Potions lesson, he wraps himself in his cloak. When he sees Harry, he lets it droop back to his side.
4. Also Sirius Black said that Snape was Lucius Malfoy's "Lap Dog". So a tiny dog--ie a Bichon Frise may be a choice too. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Just kidding, but I think he would make a very cute Bichon Frise. It would also catch you off guard to see this fluffy little Bichon Frise walking and then turn into Snape.
As to Severus and whether he is Good or EVIL:
I believe that Severus is a Good Wizard who has made some very bad choices in his life. Next to Harry, he is my favourite Character. Especially since reading "Snape's Worst Memory". It's obvious he had a pretty crappy Childhood, especially at school. Voldemort picked up on this and promised Snape something which he longed--friendship and belonging. Because he was rejected both at home and at school--I believe he was looking for a place to fit in. I also believe he was SEEKING revenge against James Potter and Sirius Black. So he this as his perfect way to exact revenge against Potter. Remember he screamed "I'll get you" repeatedly. He desperately wanted to get in the last insult to show people he is NOT to be messed with, but once again, James Potter got the upper hand. So until I read it in JKR's own words, I will not believe Snape is an Evil Character.
This also leads me to the theory he and Dumbledore had some sort of setup when he "killed" Dumbledore. After re-reading that Chapter I think Dumbledore was pleading with Severus to kill him to save Harry, Draco and himself. The Hate and Loathing on his face IS towards Dumbledore, but I think it's more of a "Damn you for putting me in this situation". Much like Harry hated himself for having to feed Dumbledore the Potion which made him so sick. Although we don't read it, I believe Harry also damned/hated Dumbledore for putting him in the Situation.
Harry is very weak at Occlumency and executing non-verbal Spells and Curses. This is where I believe Snape will come in to help Harry. He is the ONLY one who can TRULY teach Harry Occlumency. Hermione is a smart kid, but she does not know Voldemort like Snape does. She does not have the Vilianess or Evilness to truly teach Harry the skills he will need to bring down Voldemort. This is where I believe Snape will come in. Although he is "good" he does have some Vilian-like qualities to him. He is the only one who can show Harry what he will face when he battles Voldemort. I do see Snape bringing Harry to his knees to show Harry what it will be like when the final Battle ensues. Hermione does not have the the stomach to truly hurt a person. Okay, she might bring him to his knees if she had to, but she would get scared, let up and apologize to him. Voldemort will NOT do this. He will not go "Oh my God!!! Harry I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to do that, are you okay". He will enjoy torturing Harry to the point the kid will beg for death like he did in OOTP. So this is why I say Snape is the only one who can teach Harry Non verbal spells and Occlumency properly. He also has the ability to piss Harry off and enjoy it. This is another thing which he will need to defeat Voldemort.
There are too many examples pointing to the fact that Snape is not EVIL.
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Post by gela on Apr 25, 2006 10:08:21 GMT -5
Well, I have not read the books, only know the movies, but me too, I have somme ideas for the last book.
1. As I think, only a strong feeling gives a good Patronus (it must not be the feeling of love .. ) Snape's Patronus is the hate, he feels for James Potter. But the Patronus becomes weak: Snape knows Harry in the meantime, he knows him as a brave and encouraged boy. And he begins to like him, although he would not show it.
The more he likes Potter, the less Snape can hate Potter's father. So his Patronus looses strongness.
2. I think, that the spirit of DD is in Fawkes. DD/Fawkes has gone with Snape, because he knows of the weakness of Snape's Patronus, and so of Snape's weakness.
3. At the end, Potter and Snape together try to kill LV, Potter can't do it alone, he seems to loose, and Snape will go between the two enemies to help Potter. He will save Potter's life and will grieviously be wounded because of his weak Patronus.
It is DD/Fawkes who gives Potter back the power by an own Patronus.
Potter will kill LV.
But there is one thing clear enough:
Snape will die.
I think, even if the tears of Fawkes could help him, he will refuse this help.
He has done all, what he had to do: He has given Potter a good education, he prepared him for the battle against LV, he protected him several times, when Potter was in danger and, finally he risked all, that Potter can survive and destroy LV.
There is nothing more to do for him. He has no future. He looks back on his life: a suffering, lonely, blessed boy, and later a man, that nobody really liked, as nobody without DD (and earlier Lily, too) had seen his good heart.
He can't change into a friendly, smiling man anymore, who is loved by the students, as DD was. He has too many scarces in his soul, his heart had to bleed too often.
One thing is to do at the end: to show Potter a little bit of his heart, of his warmness, that he has without doubt. May be, to beg pardon, for sometimes beeing very unfriendly and for the hate against James Potter. He will make peace: with himself, his life and the people around him.
And then he will go.
Snape will die as the man he was in life: proud, sad, tragic, with a good, with a great character.
And it will be Potter's task, to ensure, that Snape never will be forgotten and that the world will remember him always as that wonderful man and wizzard, he was.
(to be honest, I have some tears in my eyes, when I imagine, that Snape will die this way, and I hope, that I am wrong, but I fear, Snape is not the charakter, that could come back and perhaps becomes the new headmaster.)
So sorry, for my not so nice end - I hate movies without happy-end, but I think, it will end this way.
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Post by R.L. on Apr 25, 2006 14:07:15 GMT -5
Winky22 said, "For a minute there i thought you was going to say he is related to Homer Simpson!" Forgive me, but winky22's statement got my imagination going! ;D So here is Homer Snapeson!
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Post by winky22 on Apr 25, 2006 16:29:26 GMT -5
OMG! That is soooooooooo funny!!! Karma for you
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Post by R.L. on Apr 25, 2006 16:56:37 GMT -5
Thanks Winky for the karma!
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Post by desraelda on Apr 25, 2006 17:15:26 GMT -5
Well, I have not read the books, only know the movies, but me too, I have somme ideas for the last book. Do you know what happened in the sixth book or are you waiting for the movies? Agree with you on that. I think Fawkes will kill Nagini, so he will be too busy to heal Snape anyway. Well said. I agree that Snape has prepared Harry for his final battle. He "raised" Harry his own way ... toughened him up. That's so sad. But I can't agree that Snape has a good heart. He has his own code of honor and that's what has driven him to protect Harry and will make him give his life for Harry in the end.
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