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Post by squirrelywrath on Sept 14, 2005 15:16:16 GMT -5
;)Hey,I think that Snape could have had a son,and I do belive that he had some kind of family,dont know what,but why not???I mean,the man,can show his nice side now and again and I think that when we all read book 7,I feel we will all be a little surprised... I cant help it though,I feel that Harry is a silly little school boy who still cant see the wood through the trees,I think that our Hermoine will sort it out though,she is a smart girl,but I fear it will be too late for our Snape....I hope,and I mean really hope,that if he is to die,which I think he will,then,I hope it is a heroic one,more of a bang,rather than a whimper...And I really hope that JK does not make Snape a bad guy,it just would not ring true to me,it would be just to damned easy to work out.....Hope this makes sense,I have had a lousy day,and cant put two words together today...  you know there was once a theory floating about that Snape was Luna's father.. ever since Jo debunked that saying" Snape does not have a daughter" the rumors have been out there that he has a sone, after all JK being JK would have said Snape has no children, but she said " no daughter" |
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Post by Stinkyfart on Sept 23, 2005 23:05:07 GMT -5
I just thought of another possibility. DD is pleading with Snape to kill him. If he had been begging for mercy he would have said "Severus Help Me!!". Notice he doesn't say "What are you doing? Severus no. Please don't."
He also put Harry under the Body Bind curse. If he had really wanted help, he would have let Harry go.
Also, during the "Flight of the Prince" Snape does NOT attack Harry. Okay he slashes his face with something, but it doesn't last long. He also stopped someone else from torturing Harry. He DOES say "No, the Dark Lord says Potter belongs to him" or something to that effect. I mean if Snape had really wanted to phyisically harm Harry, he could have done it right then and there. You know, DD is gone and can't help Harry. Nobody else is there to help Harry, so Snape would have had the perfect opportunity to harm Harry. He is also a much more powerful wizard than Harry is. He is an expert at Occlumency and knows this. Snape does taunt Harry by saying "Blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed". IMHO, he is giving Harry one last lesson. By taunting him, I think Snape will motivate Harry to seriously learn Occlumency. Harry is going to learn it to go after Snape and "Kill him" like he killed DD. This will be the way Harry learns Occlumency to beat Voldemort. By going after Snape he will become a more powerful Wizard.
I do believe there will be a major battle between Snape and Harry. Harry will gain the power he needs to defeat Voldemort from battling Snape.
Even if Snape is Evil--which I won't believe until I read it in the 7th Book itself, I think it would be cool to see Alan Rickman playing a truly whacked character.
Somewhere I read that JKR suggested he might be the "Prince of Darkness" Well, that has a certain connotation to it doesn't it.
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Post by hermione13snape on Oct 18, 2005 10:27:54 GMT -5
I think that if DD hadn't died then not only Snape would have been killed (UV) BUT Draco, Narcissa, Lucius, Bellatrix, and possibly even Rudulphous. Make a clean sweep of the entire family, it would have been the domino effect and Snape was the first Domino, whatever DD's attempts I don't think that they would have worked and I am not sure Narcissa and Lucius would have accepted the protection anyway.
I am a Snape is Good person because to me it is WAY tooo easy to make him out to be the bad guy!
That and if there weren't any redemptive pattern about the guy then surely Jo would have said Read bk 6, not read bk 7!
As to favourites, OotP will remain my fave until bk 7.
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Post by squirrelywrath on Dec 12, 2005 3:14:35 GMT -5
I heard an odd theory today that doesn't make total sense when you annalyze it closely, but it added a point to the "Severus is good" column
the thoery was that when we saw Snape at Spinner's End it was actually Dumbledore, If you read Snape's spoken text he uses some of Albus's wordings and is not his usual biting snapish self...the theory then went on to say that was dumbledore who was wormtail that night too...which is why its total rubbish Dumbledore was talented but not good enough to be Snape and Wormtail at the same time.. anyways...
as there are definate similarities to Snape's dialogue and Dumbledores we can make a checkmark in our list of reasons Smape will be proven good in the end
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Post by winky22 on Dec 13, 2005 13:50:44 GMT -5
Ohh i like that theory where did you get it from?
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Post by squirrelywrath on Dec 14, 2005 14:39:25 GMT -5
it was on mugglenet... the post was all written in netspeak, so it was hard to follow, and I don't remember the name of the thread.
So you like the theory?
imagine what it means for his death if Albus was the one who made the unbreakable vow with Narcissa. then his whole "kill me" bit as they tried to retrieve Slytherin's locket could be him seeing his own death!
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Post by giggin on Dec 16, 2005 7:48:25 GMT -5
it was on mugglenet... the post was all written in netspeak, so it was hard to follow, and I don't remember the name of the thread. So you like the theory? imagine what it means for his death if Albus was the one who made the unbreakable vow with Narcissa. then his whole "kill me" bit as they tried to retrieve Slytherin's locket could be him seeing his own death! I'm glad your mentioning this now, because I'm in the middle of reading HBP again, so when I get to this part I can really think about it. Thank for that  ! I also had a question about the way Dumbledore addressed Harry in the cave. I'm not there yet in the book now, but I remember reading it the first and second time before  , He called him "Harry M'boy" Didn't Slughorn call him that? I don't recall Dumbledore ever addressing Harry like that! Anyway...It was just a question that popped into my head while I was reading it before and it passed! |
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Post by hermione13snape on Dec 17, 2005 7:23:38 GMT -5
I heard an odd theory today that doesn't make total sense when you annalyze it closely, but it added a point to the "Severus is good" column the thoery was that when we saw Snape at Spinner's End it was actually Dumbledore, If you read Snape's spoken text he uses some of Albus's wordings and is not his usual biting snapish self...the theory then went on to say that was dumbledore who was wormtail that night too...which is why its total rubbish Dumbledore was talented but not good enough to be Snape and Wormtail at the same time.. anyways... as there are definate similarities to Snape's dialogue and Dumbledores we can make a checkmark in our list of reasons Smape will be proven good in the end Another theory I hate. The theories on Mugglenet that I hate the most are these. 1) Dumbledore asking Snape to kill him (I don't see it myself I could be wrong but from what Jo said on the Mugglenet interview I think it's one that will be denied in the future!) 2) Harry is a horcrux  and it's twin 3) Harry dying  4) Snape turning out to be evil - too simple.  5) That Snape is really Dumbledore in Spinners End and Wormtail is really Snape, I just don't see Dumbledore being that evil no matter who he's pretending to be, and where did he get all that info that Snape said! (and don't say Snape told him!  ) 6) Dumbledore and Snape made an Unbreakable Vow - reasons for trust must be built on stronger foundations than that.  7) Lily and Snape made an Unbreakable Vow - (at this rate Snape would be collecting Unbreakable Vows the way some people collect stamps. And how many times can a guy die for goodness sake! ) And that's just scratching the surface. |
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Post by allegro on Dec 17, 2005 9:09:54 GMT -5
Dumbledore and Snape's Unbreakable Vow is something that -in my opinion- doesn't sound like what Dumbledore would do. Risking somebody else's life, forcing in a way to fulfill something isn't Dumbledore's method of working.
I don't think that Dumbledore used the Polyjuice Potion either because it doesn't fit Dumbledore's character. He didn't use the potion in his search for Horcruxes, when he needed to be alone, having the Ministry workers tailing him.
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Post by winky22 on Dec 19, 2005 15:36:24 GMT -5
it was on mugglenet... the post was all written in netspeak, so it was hard to follow, and I don't remember the name of the thread. So you like the theory? imagine what it means for his death if Albus was the one who made the unbreakable vow with Narcissa. then his whole "kill me" bit as they tried to retrieve Slytherin's locket could be him seeing his own death! I love the Theory of corse the are alot of things that disprove it but i would love to chat in more detail. One time i believe that Petunia blew up Aunt Marge and not Harry so i am all for the far fatched theorys |
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Post by TigerSnake on Jan 6, 2006 16:32:36 GMT -5
One time i believe that Petunia blew up Aunt Marge and not Harry so i am all for the far fatched theorys LOL. That would've been so hilarious! But cool too. Hey guys, if anyone's interested, check out the group I made at MySpace that supports Severus Snape! groups.myspace.com/theSnapeSupporters |
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Post by winky22 on Jan 6, 2006 17:17:25 GMT -5
One time i believe that Petunia blew up Aunt Marge and not Harry so i am all for the far fatched theorys LOL. That would've been so hilarious! But cool too. Hey guys, if anyone's interested, check out the group I made at MySpace that supports Severus Snape! groups.myspace.com/theSnapeSupportersYeah i was so sure i was right at one point too but recently JK as said that Petunia has never done any magic and she never will, i can't disagree with the lady now can i. ;D |
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Post by TigerSnake on Jan 7, 2006 17:02:41 GMT -5
I wrote these theories some time ago but they seem to be deleted when the Mods at COS Forums rolled over the HBP threads into the regular ones. I had also provided a link to them here, but they obviously don't work anymore. However, after a while of not going back to CoS (mainly because they had deleted 2 of my threads that I thought were good ) I re-wrote them and posted them. Here are the links: cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=81928(Snape wasn't suspected because Vance is hiding.) cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=81929(Why didn’t Snape rat out Lupin to Greyback?) I also posted them at a MySpace group I made: groups.myspace.com/theSnapeSupporters |
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Post by hermione13snape on Jan 9, 2006 12:20:24 GMT -5
I like the last question TigerSnake.
I don't think that Snape hates Lupin he doesn't like him much but I don't think he hates him. It would have been all too easy but he didn't do it!
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Post by EmmyMik on Jan 21, 2006 23:57:53 GMT -5
Just finished reading this book again. Wow, it's just awesome. If the movie does not rock, then I vow never to watch anything made by anyone involved with the movie. Again. Ever. This goes from the grips all the way to Alan (so you know I'm serious).
Just as awesome the second time around...
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Post by cissy on Jan 22, 2006 0:26:55 GMT -5
I really need to finish OotP so I can start the reread of this.
I just don't subscribe to the Dumbledore-as-Snape theory. It sounds too strange to me. If Snape sounds so different in Spinner's End, it's because the Harry Filter isn't there. The Snape-Dumbledore UV theory--nah. The UV is all about "I trust you to do this, but only because you have to do it or you're dead" It's a total violation of the trust bond between Dumbledore and Snape.
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Post by EmmyMik on Jan 22, 2006 0:59:30 GMT -5
I found that I enjoyed OotP more this time (though I suppose I'm veering off topic). I noticed something in Chapter 6 (The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black) that might have ties to HBP and beyond.
Then again, I've been away from theories for so long that this might be common knowledge by now.
As for the Snape as Dumbledore theory, while interesting, I can't really get behind it. It seems too complicated. Though I do find that chapter interesting. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's a very interesting chapter...
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Post by squirrelywrath on Jan 22, 2006 19:36:43 GMT -5
yeah, it is a great chapter, I feel as if I am missing something when I read it. Like I don't get the punchline of the joke. I don't buy the DumbleSnape theory either, I just thought it was a fun thought process to explore. now what would this be? you can't leave vague teasers like that, its not nice!  |
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Post by EmmyMik on Jan 22, 2006 21:03:19 GMT -5
you can't leave vague teasers like that, its not nice! Heh. I imagine that this has been discussed many times over at the CoS forums (though it's been ages since I've been there). Anyway, from the American edition of OotP, p. 116: Could that be the missing Horcrux? I don't remember in which chapter it was, but Slytherin's locket was also described as "heavy". This very well could be a clue (that I'm just *now* getting), or a throwaway line (like the Evans boy in OotP). |
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Post by squirrelywrath on Jan 23, 2006 18:19:57 GMT -5
yeah, its been suggested at cos that that is indeed the horcrux. ( I think they are on version 6.0 of find the remaining Horcruxes and version 4 of where are they).. and back to your quote and theory-I agree.
we know there are 2 known and destroyed Horcruxes - Gaunt's Ring and Riddle's Diary
and there are 2 other known - Slytherin's Locket and Hufflepuff's Cup
I think that we need to have the locket in the Black house as a horcrux as there are still more unknowns to find
so how did it get there? Sirius's Brother Regulus who did something to warrant a personal attack by the dark lord
I think Nagini is possibly a horcrux
and I have not yet decided what to think of the theory that Harry's scar is a horcrux.
if that were true then he would not have had an object of each of the Hogwarts founders (yes, Harry is aGriffindor, but not his direct property)
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! 
, He called him "Harry M'boy" Didn't Slughorn call him that? I don't recall Dumbledore ever addressing Harry like that! Anyway...It was just a question that popped into my head while I was reading it before and it passed!
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