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Post by EmmyMik on Jan 23, 2006 20:13:16 GMT -5
I figured that theory has been discussed quite a bit over there (and that's probably one of the reasons why I never got to CoS any more).
If Regulus is R.A.B., then it would make some sense that the locket would be in Grimmauld Place (I don't have OotP handy, so I have no idea if I spelled that correctly). It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I don't think that Harry's scar is a Horcrux. It doesn't really fit in with the Voldemort is a Collector of Stuff thing (although if that's the case, and if I ever became evil, them my Horcruxes would be easy to figure out: movie ticket stubs, Olympic lapel pins, rubber duckies, and Alan Rickman DVDs). Unless it's an unintentional Horcurx, I don't see why Voldemort would use something as significant as the sign of his downfall...
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Post by hermione13snape on Feb 28, 2006 9:04:06 GMT -5
I am so pleased that you don't think that Harry is a Horcrux, dang I hate that theory!
Just envisioning Lord Voldemort in the bath playing with his rubber duckie musing over the possibility of it being the next Horcrux! That made me laugh! Tell me can you explain the exact science and art of the rubber duck cause that one has this witch flummoxed!
I also agree that the locket was not stolen by Dung Fletcher, and is still in Grimmauld Place!
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Post by desraelda on Mar 1, 2006 21:09:05 GMT -5
I am so pleased that you don't think that Harry is a Horcrux, dang I hate that theory! Of course Harry's not a horcrux. I'm glad to see so many in agreement on that subject. You need to ask Arthur Weasley about the rubber duck theory.  I'm sort of hoping Dung did steal it. Even if he didn't Harry may have to go to Azkaban anyway to ask him about it. The reason I'm hoping he has to do that is he'll need Ministry permission to get in there and it will be interesting to see how he gets around Scrimgeor for that. Not much of a reason, I know, but I'd like to see him best Scrim a few more times. |
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Post by EmmyMik on Mar 29, 2006 19:23:24 GMT -5
Completely pointless item that does not fit in the discussion:
Last week I was teaching in a second grade class. I always bring a book to read during breaks, and I had brought HBP. The kids thought it was pretty exciting that I was reading Harry Potter. One boy comes up and says, "My mom says that if you sell that on eBay, you could make $100!"
Hee!
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Post by hermione13snape on Apr 6, 2006 10:18:23 GMT -5
Convince me to start reading this book again please, it's just the idea of Snape murdering Dumbledore at the end puts me off, I know I should and Jo told me herself that it's worth a reread but please I need someone to tell me to just do it!
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Post by Stinkyfart on Apr 10, 2006 17:47:44 GMT -5
Hermione13Snape: You should definitely re-read HBP again, or at least certain chapters. At first I was shocked about Snape killing Dumbledore and thought he was a traitor. Then someone convinced me to re-read parts of the book. If you pay attention, you will notice certain things.
I would re-read Spinners End and pay attention to when he and Narcissa are making the Unbreakable Vow. Some people say this chapter proves he is EVIL. He DOES give a lot of evidence why he hasn't killed Harry Potter--the main reason is Dumbledore would surely have his ass in Azkaban--in short he thinks he is "too good" for a place like Azkaban. It would also blow his cover. Yet, he helps Narcissa when she breaks down and cries and is much more Sympathetic to her plight. Whereas her Sister, Bellatrix basically tells her to "Suck it Up" and to be honoured to hand her Son's life over to Voldemort.
Also pay attention to Elf Tales. Hagrid over heard an argument between Snape and Dumbledore. Snape seemed "very tired and overwhelmed" and claimed he "wanted out". Dumbledore, on the other hand, tells Severus that he made a promise and can NOT back down. He is adament that Snape fulfill his promise. They also have the argument in the Fobidden Forest--so things had to be pretty intense. There's something about it that they DIDN'T want other people to hear. Especially Hagrid who has the tendancy to say "Ooops I did it Again.
Also re-read "Lightening Struck Tower". You clearly see Draco is hesitant to kill Dumbledore. If the other Death Eaters hadn't been there, I think Dumbledore would have talked Draco over to his side. If you have the American version of the book, Dumbledore says something to the effect of "we can make you and your Mother and Lucius very dead". In short, he can get them into hiding where no one will find them.
Snape kicks the doors open and knocks Draco out of the way. This, during the first read seems very agressive. But, if he had gone up to Draco and put his arm around him or re-assured Draco, we definitely would notice something is wrong. Okay, he DOES have a look of Hatred and Rage on his face. I do believe he HATED Dumbledore and used this to kill him. However, I think the HATE he feels for Dumbledore is more because Dumbledore is MAKING him fulfill his Vow. So he is thinking "Damn you Albus, I HATE you for MAKING me do this". He is also feeling rage, because at that moment, he may feel that the only person he ever trusted turned his back on him (though I could be wrong). After he kills Dumbledore, he yanks Draco by the collar and screams at him to move his ass (well not in those words, but you get that impression). I think this too is because he blames Draco for not having the guts to kill Dumbledore.
Also read "Flight of the Prince". The way he reacts to being called a Coward is something more than "you insolent little__". It somehow strikes a very sensitive nerve in Snape. I also think when he strikes Harry with the white-hot whip-like thing, he was taking Harry's scar. I think this might be a Horcrux. Just because the scar is a Horcrux, does not mean Harry is one.
Of course, you are reading some parts from Harry's poing of view.
Snape will be Redeemed!!!!
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Post by iluvdan4ever84 on Apr 11, 2006 21:27:09 GMT -5
it took me three days from the time i got it on release date to read...but i only read the book once...but in the mean time i will read it again  |
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Post by candescence on Apr 12, 2006 11:29:55 GMT -5
Oh I think I have read it completly three times and then certain bits over and over again...I do love it. My favorite of the series.
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Post by Nokomis Snape on Apr 13, 2006 1:21:29 GMT -5
I've only read this one once from cover to cover (the day it was released) I've gone back and re-read quite a few parts though...simply to prove that Snape is still good
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Post by hermione13snape on Apr 13, 2006 10:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by candescence on Apr 13, 2006 18:40:57 GMT -5
LOL!! Good girl...invite them all over to the Dark Mark...we are all some serious Snape lovers over there... |
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Post by Nokomis Snape on Apr 14, 2006 1:09:35 GMT -5
Ohh!! Thankee for the link!!! I shall join and declare my love for Snape there |
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Post by hermione13snape on Apr 21, 2006 10:21:46 GMT -5
Well I have just started re reading it again and I was halfway through Spinners End when I had to go in for a filling, never mind I was envisioning the scene in my head throughout the whole ordeal and I just laughed all the time! Snape will be my tool and my muse for the rest of eternity as he helps me through having fillings!
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Post by winky22 on Apr 25, 2006 9:55:13 GMT -5
Well I have just started re reading it again and I was halfway through Spinners End when I had to go in for a filling, never mind I was envisioning the scene in my head throughout the whole ordeal and I just laughed all the time! Snape will be my tool and my muse for the rest of eternity as he helps me through having fillings! Oh how i love that chapter, Spinners End. i hope that scene will definitely be in the movie!!! I want to see Alan doing that scene!! I just hope the other two do not spoil it! HermioneSnape: i am sure you agree with me? |
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Post by irishemerald on Apr 25, 2006 21:22:57 GMT -5
I have only read HBP once from cover to cover and cried from the time DD died to the end of the book. My theories are similar to those posted, but I thought I would add my $0.25 (inflation, as someone here once said, lol ) First, I never thought Snape to be evil. I'm one of those nieve (sp?) people who have to believe that he is still on the side of good. For one thing, its too difficult to contemplate someone being so clever as to outsmart Dumbledore bc Dumbledore is suppose to be the greatest wizard of all time. Another thing, writing Snape as an evil character would be to easy. Snape has always been a complex character. One I believe to be completely mis-understood. I agree with earlier posts that the line "Don't call me a coward." has more than one meaning behind it. Second, I also agree with earlier comments about Harry not being a horcrux. I have never thought it would be possible. Here's how I see it: IF Voldemort chose to make Harry a horcrux (which I doubt), when he performed the curse on him and it backfired, wouldn't that mean that that part of Voldemort's soul died, leaving one-less horcrux than everyone thinks? Third, I do think Snape and Dumbledore had an "Unbreakable" as well. That is why Snape killed him, in my opinion. Finally, a thought to ponder until the final book is released. If you re-read through the entire series and watch the films, you will see that Rowling will introduce something new to the audience (readers or viewers) and then it will be used again in the next book or movie. Expeliamous, polyjuice potion, etc. One thing that has been introduced but never used is the speech Snape gives in the first book and film. "Even put a stopper in death." This speech was so important that they left it in the film, AND it showed Harry copying it down. Now that we know Snape is the HBP, could it be that this will come into play in the final book of the series?? Maybe that is why Dumbledore wanted Harry to take him to Snape? Hmmm. . . . makes you wonder.  |
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Post by hermione13snape on Apr 26, 2006 10:50:00 GMT -5
Well I have just started re reading it again and I was halfway through Spinners End when I had to go in for a filling, never mind I was envisioning the scene in my head throughout the whole ordeal and I just laughed all the time! Snape will be my tool and my muse for the rest of eternity as he helps me through having fillings! Oh how i love that chapter, Spinners End. i hope that scene will definitely be in the movie!!! I want to see Alan doing that scene!! I just hope the other two do not spoil it! HermioneSnape: i am sure you agree with me? Other two? You mean the actresses that are going to play Narcissa and Bellatrix? I agree with that definitely but come on give Helen McRory a chance we haven't even seen a picture of her yet let alone her as Bellatrix, so I think we ought to reserve judgement until we see OotP and then decide if she would spoil it. As for the as yet uncast Narcissa Malfoy I think we ought to wait until the decision is made and finalised. Personally this is who I think should play Narcissa.  There is strangely enough already a connection, she was in Ever After with Toby Jones the voice of Dobby. So if she does get cast it will be rather funny and ironical I think. Her name is Megan Dodds. |
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Post by R.L. on May 1, 2006 13:10:41 GMT -5
Convince me to start reading this book again please, it's just the idea of Snape murdering Dumbledore at the end puts me off, I know I should and Jo told me herself that it's worth a reread but please I need someone to tell me to just do it! I feel the same way too,  when I read it. Snape wouldn't have done it without being convinced to do so in some way by Dumbledore - he just couldn't have done it just for the sake of being evil. |
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Post by Nokomis Snape on May 1, 2006 19:47:38 GMT -5
Snape can't be evil...because I say so.
Yeah...that's a good enough reason...LOL
But honestly, she's had them think it was Snape and then it turned out it wasn't him too many times to just make him the bad guy all of a sudden. Besides, she made a lot of us fall in love with him when she gave him such a tragic past in OOTP. You don't do that to a vilian....well, maybe she does, she made me feel a tad bad for Tom Riddle...but um...you all know how I feel about him..
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Post by hermione13snape on May 4, 2006 9:07:06 GMT -5
Yes Nokomis. Snape can't be evil that is correct becaue WE say so! I felt bad about Tom Riddle and now Tom Riddle makes me feel bad if you know what I mean! Especially in the Half Blood Prince the way he was described made me think of Orlando Bloom. Ooh please let him play Tom Riddle he's got to play Tom Riddle, I'd love to see him play someone nasty THEN that would definitely up the ooh factor in the films...
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Post by cissy on May 4, 2006 23:10:03 GMT -5
Personally this is who I think should play Narcissa. Her name is Megan Dodds. Wait, the same Megan Dodds who was in "My Name is Rachel Corrie"? I didn't realize she was in Ever After (love that movie!)...wow. I need to pay better attention. I can see her as Narcissa! Wow...the Malfoy family portrait...a photo of the three of them would look so great. |
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when I read it. Snape wouldn't have done it without being convinced to do so in some way by Dumbledore - he just couldn't have done it just for the sake of being evil.
